Yeast die-off
I’m still new (3 weeks into the diet) and have asked alot o questionsto you all about supplements and recipes and so forth. If I can impose again- my son is taking some of the supplements, but not all that wererecommended. My doctor gave me a list and I was to introduce a new one everyfour days. He is on probiotic/proculture/ l glutamine daily. He wassupposed to start Gastromycin next and then progress to Nystatin. I cannotget the Gastromycin in him (he’s the 12 year old that doesn’t swallow andwon’t eat substitutions). Do I just proceed to the Nystatin anyway? Do theenzymes work during the die off period? It would seem I’m supposed to startenzymes four days into the Nystatin. I am days away from this - HELP please.
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Bertram Denski said,
Wrote on December 19, 2006 @ 2:57 pm
You’re doing fine. Slow down. It won’t hurt a thing foryou to stop regarding your doc’s word as cast in stone. It sounds like hehad a specific order of introducing these things in mind, but as you havefound out already, these things don’t always go as planned, in fact…often not. My practice in introducing new things is to go slower thanthat… Just to begin with, I start at around 1/4 or 1/2 the intended dose,for a few days, then increase it, depending on whether I’ve seen negativereactions… then, if I have problems giving it or negative reactions,I’ll either stop entirely and figure out another way to do it, or shelvethat supplement for now (if there’s no specific order that they need tostart) and try it later on, at a lower dose, or different way to giveit… I ALWAYS consider myself the last word on the schedule to introducenew things (in consultation with the doc, of course) and sometimes we haveto go very slow indeed, which is painful, but necessary, to work with thesereally sensitive kids. Also, are you keeping a behavior log? If not,start now. Just note down for each day what you started or changed and atwhat dosage, and any behavior you notice, or goods/bads/differents of anykind (i.e. sleep, appetite, diet, physical appearance, symptoms,etc.). Especially when you’re introducing that many new things, you mayget one or more of them causing trouble and it may be very important tobacktrack and figure out what is the troublemaker. Under no circumstancesshould you ever change two things at the same time!! I try not to changeanything more often than every 3 days, and I try to mostly make thesesmall, gradual changes.
Ok, now some ideas on your specific questions: Have you tried teaching himto take pills? If not, now is the time for some REAL work on it. Usesomething ‘non-threatening’ that doesn’t taste horrible if you bite it byaccident, like tic tacs, or even M&M’s if you’re not gfcf yet, and make agame of it. First you show him how, along with exaggerated gestures andfunny swallowing noises, then it’s his turn, with big rewards offered - ormaybe at 12yo, you need to offer money? Don’t know, haven’t taught a 12year old. Anyhow, this will give you tons more options, when he can takesome kind of pills.
In the meantime, what about mixing stuff up into a liquid with fruit syrup,then letting him drink it from a medicine spoon or squirt it down histhroat himself with a medicine syringe? Do you think this wouldwork? Here are my own recommendations from experience: DON’T try to sneakit into his food, kids figure that out really quick and it becomes a powerstruggle over food. I recommend making it into some kind of palatable’medicine’, then insisting that the medicine go down, with whateverno-nonsense measures you have to put into place. Maybe with a kid his age,you could buy several flavors of fruit syrup (maple syrup aisle), ormasking syrup (Kirkman’s sells some, I think), and let him choose which onehe likes best, then stick with that. I would NOT change the ORDER (whatto start first, next, etc.) of what your doc asked you to do without askingyour doc about it. Often order is important, especially with antibioticsand antifungals, because they often want to treat one bug, then another,for a specific reason. But it doesn’t matter that you didn’t get thegastromycin started the exact moment your doc said, just keep trying andyou’ll get a method that works for you. Keep in touch with your doc, andhe might have other ideas for giving things, too, or alternative meds thatwould be just as good and maybe easier to give.
Yes, the enzymes will still be work during the die off period. Enzymes aregenerally something you want to give all the time to help with digestion,like probiotics. Don’t hurry things. Get the gastromycin well started,then the nystatin, then worry about the enzymes. When in doubt about whyyour doc put things in the order he did or the timeline, ask him/her.
That’s all that occurs to me now. I have a 9yo that I’ve been giving allkinds of supplements to since he was 3, so we’ve tried lots of stuff. Feelfree to write if you have more questions.
Johnson Vanderlinden said,
Wrote on December 21, 2006 @ 9:19 am
can someone please tell me the symptoms of a yeastdie-off…particularly diaper status?